buying a new pc

[Opie M.]

The case isn't so important as far as quietness goes if you use a different power supply and take off all the loud ass fans. But then you have to buy quiet fans too. I like the Antec case because of the space inside and the design. It has the power supply at the bottom in a separate compartment with its own fan and exhaust so it doesn't effect the cooling in the rest of the case. My point of view is why build a nice PC in a shitty case? If you're pinching pennies then you can get away with it tho.

I'm not going to go over all the parts, but I can get every part that I linked you to for the price I gave you (including Windows XP). Honestly, if you've never built a PC before there's going to be many thing that you have no idea about when building this one. I don't trust anyone to build computers except me, so I couldn't tell you how well you can build this computer. It's not just a matter of slapping all the parts together. The PC has to be configured properly. If you were building a PC for your little sister, I'd tell you to go for it, but a studio pc isn't exactly a good one to start with lol

The DVD drive doesn't matter too much. The motherboard and CPU stuff are complicated, and I'm tired.

[Paragon]

well, i guess if i fuck up i could give it to my little sister :/



lmao, yeah i'm not exactly in computer talk mood right now anyway

[Spekz.]

i have one from him and its pretty..and ne time ive plugged it in..its been smooth sailing..

..unfortunately i STILL havent gotten around to hooking it up full time...

..im lame.


But you can trust him to put you together a good machine.... and deliver it!!!

and if he doesnt, ill drive around the corner..and kick his ass.

cuz i know where he lives...

[Big Question]

lol, forget it...

im right tho

[Opie M.]

Only in your mind. If you could prove me wrong, then you would've by now. Don't talk out of your ass lol

[Big Question]

lol dude because i dont want to argue over a psu....and theres nothing to prove really, ive built a lot of pc`s and i know i wouldnt put a 400w psu in a quad core system, if your happy to do that fine, id prefer more if only due to aid further expansion.
i think theres a formula to calculate the wattage needs of a pc but my thinkin is simply if im spending a lot of money id pay a few extra quid to get that exrta insurance of a more powerfull psu..

whatever its not like im wrong or right its just my opinion based on my experience
so calm down...

[Paragon]

ok so i was thinking of getting this setup on ibuypower, based on your suggestions:

Case - Nzxt Alpha Gaming Tower Case w/420W Power Supply
yeah, its technically a gaming case, i know, but i was thinking of just getting that antec later on and moving everything over or something

MODEL: ALPHA SERIES
CASE TYPE: MID TOWER Steel
FRONT PANEL MATERIAL: PLASTIC
DIMENSIONS (W x H x D): 218 x 500 x 545 mm
COOLING SYSTEM: FRONT, 1 X 120 mm (optional)
REAR, 1 X 120 mm Fan (included)
SIDE PANEL, 1 X 120mm Red LED (optional)
DRIVE BAYS:
11 DRIVE BAYS
4 EXTERNAL 5.25" DRIVE BAYS
2 EXTERNAL 3.5 " DRIVE BAYS
5 INTERNAL 3.5" DRIVE BAYS
Screwless Rail Design
MATERIAL(S): Steel Construction
EXPANSION SLOTS: 7
WEIGHT: 6.25 KGS (W/O Power)
MOTHERBOARD SUPPORT: ATX, MICRO-ATX, BABY AT

Processor - Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E7400 (2x 2.66GHz/3MB L2 Cache/1066FSB)
the E7200 was not an option available

CPU Socket Type
CPU Socket Type: LGA 775

Tech: Spec
Core: Wolfdale
Multi-Core: Dual-Core
Name: Core 2 Duo E7300
Operating Frequency: 2.66GHz
FSB: 1066MHz
L2 Cache: 3MB
Manufacturing Tech: 45 nm
64 bit Support: Yes
Virtualization Technology Support: No
Voltage: 0.85V – 1.3625V
Thermal Power: 65W

CPU Fan - [Quiet] AVC Silent Intel CPU Fan and Heatsink

Motherboard - Asus P5Q Pro Intel P45 Chipset w/7.1 Sound, Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, IEEE-1394, Dual PCI-E MB
they didn't have a p5ke but maybe this has similar features

Description:
[CrossFire] Asus P5Q Pro Intel P45 Chipset MB

Specification:
CPU
LGA775 socket for Intel® Core™2 Extreme/Core™2 Quad/ Core™2 Duo/Pentium® dual-core/Celeron® dual-core /Celeron® Processors Compatible with Intel® 05B/05A/06 processors
Supports Intel® 45nm multi-Core CPU

Chipset
Intel® P45 / ICH10R with Intel® Fast Memory Access (FMA) support

Front Side Bus
1600 / 1333 / 1066 / 800 MHz

Memory
4 x DIMM, max. 16GB, DDR2 1200 / 1066 / 800 / 667 MHz, non-ECC, un-buffered memory
Dual channel memory architecture
*Refer to www.asus.com or this user manual for the Memory QVL(Qualified Vendors Lists).
*When installing total memory of 4GB capacity or more, Windows® 32-bit operation system may only recognize less than 3GB. Hence, a total installed memory of less than 3GB is recommended.
Expansion Slots
2 x PCI Express 2.0 x16 slots, support ATI CrossFireX™ technology at x8 link
(PCIe x16_1 blue, PCIe x16_2 black*)
3 x PCI Express x1 slots
2 x PCI slots
*PCI Express x16_2 slot (black at max. x8 link)

Storage
Southbridge
- 6x SATA 3Gb/s
- Intel® Matrix Storage Technology with RAID 0, 1, 5 10 support Marvell 88SE6111
- 1 x UltraDMA 133/100/66 for up to 2 PATA devices Silicon Image Sil5723 (Drive Xpert technology)
- 2 x SATA 3Gb/s
- Supports EZ Backup and Super Speed functions
*Drive Xpert function is available only when the hard disk drives are set as data drives.

LAN
PCIe Gb LAN controller featuring AI NET2

Audio
Realtek ALC1200, 8-channel High Definition Audio CODEC
- Support Jack-Detection, Multi-streaming, Front Panel Jack-Retasking
- Coaxial S/PDIF_OUT ports at back I/O
- ASUS Noise-Filtering

IEEE 1394
LSI®L-FW3227 controller supports 2 x IEEE 1394a ports (one at mid-board; one at back panel)

USB
Max. 12 USB2.0/1.1 ports(6 ports at mid-board, 6 ports at back panel)

ASUS AI Lifestyle Features
ASUS Power Saving Solution
- ASUS EPU 6-Engine
- ASUS 8-phase Power Design
- AI Nap
ASUS unique Features:
- ASUS Express Gate
- AI Direct Link
ASUS Quiet Thermal Solutions:
- ASUS Fanless Design: heat pipe solution
- ASUS Fan Xpert
ASUS EZ DIY:
- ASUS Drive Xpert
- ASUS Q-Shield
- ASUS Q-Connector
- ASUS O.C. Profile
- ASUS CrashFree BIOS 3
- ASUS EZ Flash 2
Overclocking Features
ASUS AI Booster
Precision Tweaker 2:
- vCore: Adjustable CPU voltage at 0.00625V increment
- vDIMM: 64-step DRAM voltage control
- vChipset: 55-step Chipset voltage control
- vCPU PLL: 64-step CPU PLL voltage control
- vFSB Termination: 15-step reference voltage control
SFS (Stepless Frequency Selection)
- FSB tuning from 200MHz up to 800MHz at 1MHz increment
- PCI Express frequency tuning from 100MHz up to180MHz at 1MHz increment
Overclocking Protection:
- ASUS C.P.R.(CPU Parameter Recall)

Special Features: ASUS Mylogo2

Back Panel I/O Ports
1 x PS/2 Keyboard (Purple)
1 x PS/2 mouse port (Green)
1 x Coaxial S/PDIF Output
1 x IEEE1394a
1 x RJ45 port
6 x USB 2.0/1.1
8-channel Audio I/O

Internal I/O Connectors
3 x USB connectors support additional 6 USB ports
1 x Floppy disk drive connector
1 x IDE connector
1 x TPM connector
1 x COM connector
6 x SATA connectors (red)
2 x Drive Xpert SATA connectors
(orange and white)
1 x CPU Fan connector
2 x Chassis Fan connector
1 x Power Fan connector
1 x IEEE1394a connector
Front panel audio connector
1 x S/PDIF Out Header
Chassis Intrusion connector
CD audio in
24-pin ATX Power connector
8 pin ATX 12V Power connector
System Panel(Q-Connector)

BIOS
8 Mb AMI BIOS, PnP, DMI 2.0, WfM 2.0, SM BIOS 2.4, ACPI 3.0

Memory - 2 GB [1 GB X2] DDR2-800 PC6400 Memory Module Corsair XMS2 Xtreme w/Heat Spreader
I know it's not the exactly the same as the dominator you were talking about, but I can always upgrade later to faster memory

Description:
Corsair XMS2 Xtreme w/Heat Spreader 2048MB [1024MB X2] DDR2-800 PC6400 Memory Module

Specification:
Memory Type: DDR2 800MHz - Kit Form Factor: 240-pin DIMM Module Capacity: 2GB [1024MB x 2] Address Path: Unbuffered ECC: No Heat Spreader: Black XMS2 CAS Latency: 5-5-5-12-T1

Video Card - ATI Radeon HD 2600XT 256MB PCI-Express x16
i think that's the same one you recommended

Storage - 320 GB HARD DRIVE [Serial-ATA-II, 3Gb, 7200 RPM, 16M Cache]
they are promoting a free upgrade from a 160 or 250 gb to a 320, but I believe the deal might end tonight

DVD+-RW - [Lightscribe] LG 22X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive

12-In-1 Internal Flash Media Card Reader/Writer

MS Windows XP Professional w/ Service Pack 2

and I'm paying a little extra for "professional wiring"

it comes out to $719, or $805 after shipping, and it comes with 3 year labor, 1 year parts warrantly, lifetime technical support, for whatever that's worth


if this is a decent build let me know ASAP so i can order it and get the larger HD

if i end up getting this, i'll have a little extra for an external HD and the rokit 6 monitors (i'm going to get the yellow ones since they're the same price as the rokit 5's) and put in my emu-0404 later on

[Opie M.]

Yea... this is basically the same PC I recommended without the good case, PSU, and second hard drive. It seems to be a good deal as far as buying from a manufacturer goes.The problem with this PC will be noise. Most likely, the case fans and the PSU will be loud. The PSU will be cheap. And, of course, no second HDD, which you can add.

Keep in mind that you're saving less than $150 on this model compared to mine, but it's coming with about $300 less worth of components, that you'll have to upgrade and add yourself to get it up to par with my configuration. And you're still not getting my Windows configuration either, which makes a big difference. If it was me, I'd spend the little bit of extra money to get the better PC. I mean, I could build this PC for you for less than they're charging, but there's no reason to for a small price difference. I don't understand the point of cutting corners here.

[Opie M.]

lol dude because i dont want to argue over a psu....and theres nothing to prove really, ive built a lot of pc`s and i know i wouldnt put a 400w psu in a quad core system, if your happy to do that fine, id prefer more if only due to aid further expansion.
i think theres a formula to calculate the wattage needs of a pc but my thinkin is simply if im spending a lot of money id pay a few extra quid to get that exrta insurance of a more powerfull psu..

whatever its not like im wrong or right its just my opinion based on my experience
so calm down...

Calm down? Who's excited?

Look, you made it a point to tell me that I'm wrong several times. Now it's "just your opinion." If it's just your opinion that I'm wrong, and it's not based on fact then don't tell me I'm wrong. You are FACTUALLY wrong. There's not a single component that you can put in a quad core PC that uses more than 400W. Not now... not in the future... never. Yes, I am aware of how to calculate Wattage. You add up the voltage of all the parts and convert to Watts. You can calculate a maxed out quad core system, and I guarantee you can't get it over 300W max power. You can calculate for plugging devices into every socket on the PC and it's not going over 300W. The configuration I recommended uses about 130W.

So like I said... all you're adding is heat and noise.

And don't tell me not to argue about this shit. You're giving people BS advice and telling them that my good advice is bad. Not only that, you're trying to say that something about my product is inferior to what people should actually be getting. So you're bringing question to whether people should invest in my product, when I know it's the best option out there. So yes... I will argue until you a) concede that you have no idea what you're talking about, b) try to save face and refuse to prove yourself right (which you can't), or c) just pretend not to see the thread anymore and act like this argument never happened. Don't act like I shouldn't defend my advice and my business because you want to feel like you have an opinion. How about you just admit that I know a little bit more than you and fuckin learn something instead of rejecting 100% accurate info to save your dumb ass opinion.

There, now I need to calm down lol

[Big Question]

Calm down? Who's excited?

Look, you made it a point to tell me that I'm wrong several times. Now it's "just your opinion." If it's just your opinion that I'm wrong, and it's not based on fact then don't tell me I'm wrong. You are FACTUALLY wrong. There's not a single component that you can put in a quad core PC that uses more than 400W. Not now... not in the future... never. Yes, I am aware of how to calculate Wattage. You add up the voltage of all the parts and convert to Watts. You can calculate a maxed out quad core system, and I guarantee you can't get it over 300W max power. You can calculate for plugging devices into every socket on the PC and it's not going over 300W. The configuration I recommended uses about 130W.

So like I said... all you're adding is heat and noise.

And don't tell me not to argue about this shit. You're giving people BS advice and telling them that my good advice is bad. Not only that, you're trying to say that something about my product is inferior to what people should actually be getting. So you're bringing question to whether people should invest in my product, when I know it's the best option out there. So yes... I will argue until you a) concede that you have no idea what you're talking about, b) try to save face and refuse to prove yourself right (which you can't), or c) just pretend not to see the thread anymore and act like this argument never happened. Don't act like I shouldn't defend my advice and my business because you want to feel like you have an opinion. How about you just admit that I know a little bit more than you and fuckin learn something instead of rejecting 100% accurate info to save your dumb ass opinion.

There, now I need to calm down lol

wow, what you gotta repond like that for man?.. i was tryna be cool with you and respect your opinion, hoping you would respect mine...but fuck that if you wanna be a prick then fuck you, your a retard if you think 400w is adequate for a quad core system, bullshit im factually wrong...YOUR FACTUALLY WRONG...hows that feel...what a load of shit, ive built numerous pc`s for years and have read everything under the sun on the subject, go to any reputable pc place/book/article and always there advice will be use at least a 500w psu unless your system is very basic and your not gonna upgrade in the future...

what because you know a shitload of stuff more than me about audio that automatically qualifies you to be the god of every subject?.
piss off with your ego, no one else can have a say in anything in this forum with you having to be right. i was the one who initially responded to his post and you was like nonononono just beacause YOU wanted YOUR own ego licking, tryna tell me im wrong when i know what the fuck im talkin bout.

And what all this shit about i have to prove my self right...to who? you? how u want me to do that, buy one of your systems add a few things maybe a graphics card give it a bit of o/c and fry the mobo. fuck off i know im right..why dont you prove me wrong..

i dont care what you do with your underpowered pieces of shit, and its not like no ones gonna buy em coz what i said, lmao who gonna listen to me when opey god of all subjects has spoken, but its whatever ive learnt to always put more power in than you think you need, its a safeguard an extra insurance and helps with future expansion...and in no way is a bigger psu directly proportional to more noise or heat lmao, its entirely dependant on the particular psu.

so keep arguin and i`ll keep arguin back, seriously i`ll keep goin for 100 pages and nuthins gonna change. i aint backin down to you bitch. i tried that already and you took the piss

[Chrit.]

Actually, Opey was right.

[Opie M.]

You're talking about overclocked gaming PCs. I already posted the power consumption numbers of studio PCs. You obviously aren't aware of the difference. Even then, you're not using more than 400W. I don't care what you plug into it. You can't show me a single configuration that sucks up more than 400W of power. You'd be lucky to get a configuration to use more than 300W. And studio PCs have very little power requirements. Most power consumption in current configurations come from video cards. Studio PCs don't need top of the line cards. Studio PC manufacturers don't use them specifically because of power consumption. An average studio PC will use less than 150W. Now, workstations are a completely different beast. With a workstation you're talking about at least 600W and could exceed 1000W with 3 high end video cards powering 6 HD monitors.

I've gone to a reputable source to learn this info. It's called college. Not to mention I've been building PCs since the IBM 8088 when I was a kid. I also worked as the computer technician in an electronics repair shop. I was an electrician as well, so I know how to calculate power consumption on a much larger scale than a damn PC. And to top it off, I have a college degree in engineering. So no... I don't just know a shitload more than you about audio. I know a great deal more than you about ANYTHING that has to do with engineering, including electronics. Can you build and repair your own electronics?

And if you think more Watts doesn't equal more heat then you're a simpleton. There's actually an equation to calculate the amount of heat that different levels of electricity produces. How do you think manufacturers figure out heatsink and fan speed requirements? Trial and error? Electricians also use it to figure out how much cable they can put into a pipe and maintain a safe temperature inside.

I know A LOT that you don't know. I'm not afraid to say that shit. I work hard to know all the shit I need to know to do my job the best that I can. I'm not going to humble myself for a cocky asshole that doesn't want to be wrong. This has nothing to do with "being cool with you." If you're wrong, you're wrong. period. This section of the site is for learning. I'm not going to let misinformation go by unchallenged to protect someone's ego. Generally, when someone more qualified comes by and tells you you're wrong and breaks down why, you should listen and be happy that you upped your game a little.

BTW... for anyone actually reading this lame geek argument...

The idea of packing a huge amount of power for future use is nonsense. Power requirements aren't increasing over time. Computer technology moves toward the direction of LESS power consumption with each generation of PC component. The new Macbook Pro uses less than 60W and is one of the most powerful laptops on the market.

[Chrit.]

and completely unrelated...

If I had like $1100 or so sitting around, should I cop a macbook or let you build me a studio pc?

[Opie M.]

The macbook is nice to take places, but it won't have enough juice for studio use. But if you're just recording vocal tracks to mp3 beats then you don't really need a studio PC.

[Chrit.]

so... macbook it is for now...

I'll be in vegas by the time I'll want to do anything deeper with music...